Le Bataclan, Paris
France · Wednesday 10 January 1973 · Foxtrot
53 years, 9 months and 30 days ago
Known recordings
11 sources
Bataclan '73 Longer Version
37m total
- Media
- MP4
- Quality
- A+
- Catalogue #
- Genesis Museum
- The Musical Box / Supper's Ready / The Return Of The Giant Hogweed / The Knife / Interview
Recording comments
Technical Details:
This was a really big project. Not that the source was bad, the source was actually very nice. However, the source had many anomalies, but enough "clay" was there to mold this into something even better. The entire process was helped immensely by Ikhnaton, who provided material as well as suggestions and many many previews over the time.
The first step was to work on the sound, as the sound was missing for the first part of The Musical Box. The sound still exists but, well...this is another even longer story. Unfortunately, there were not many great recordings that were close enough in time to match the video performance. The best match turned out to be from the official Live LP, although I had to jump through many hoops to not only match the video from a month earlier, but also to match the rest of the audio in "tone". I then inserted a "patch" of audio to erase the overdub from the narrator. This also had to be EQed to match as reasonably close as possible. In the end I used more than one source as the camera is behind the keyboards during this portion, and they needed to be higher in the mix than found in most soundboard Musical Box recordings.
I then remastered the rest of the audio to give it a bit more life, some compression and reverb and stereo effects, though not too much as this is a small club and would be strange if it sounded like Giants Stadium. There were also some odds and ends like the sound reel being flat as it spun up to speed, some ambient audience needed between songs, etc. Most of the audio quality was nice however so it didn't need too much surgery.
The video was much more of a process. AI tools are becoming very useful and fairly fast, but often make things worse when used improperly. There are also about 25 different AI models that I use, each with several different settings. I try many different models in order to get the result I am looking for on the source I am working on, without creating unwanted artifacts.
I also normally have to do more than 1 AI pass. These video tools basically do 3 things well. Noise reduction, up-sampling (increasing size), and enhancement (adding detail) and there is rarely 1 perfect model or setting to get all three, without some very strange things happening. For example, one of the models I tested did a great job on the foreground, but determined that the curtains were hair and they started flowing For this film I did 2 passes with 2 totally different models, one of which was still in beta release. I also upscaled higher than desired and then Lanczos reduced back down to get even more detail without adding size.
I also used AviSynth for spot/dirt removal and cleanup, scratch removal on one of the camera reels (mostly during Hogweed), and additional sharpness. I used Neat Video for some additional NR/blending in the lights, which are brighter than normally seen on concert films of the time, and it was very difficult to train a tool to recognize the difference between foreground and background in this case. Then I used FFMPEG for frame interpolation to get smooth motion. Finally of course some color grading in TMPGEnc, to give it more realism, despite some color and lighting inconsistencies between the camera angles.
For the production we decided to move the interviews to the end, as they are mostly annoying during the performance. There was also only a lower quality source for the final reel of The Knife, so the brightness and detail is greatly reduced during the final minute or so.
I won't say that all of these processes were without penalty. But as always, the benefits of each process have to be weighed against the penalties. For the processes we used, we felt there was enough added benefit. Is it definitive? No. Not only do we know there was more of this show filmed, if all the reels could get a higher resolution direct transfer without compression, the results could be better still. But in my opinion, the results we were able to obtain rank this film up there with the best of the Gabriel-era Genesis films.
As always, we hope the fans enjoy this. But we ask that our work on this film not be used without permission or credit to those who put all of the time, effort, and money in to making this happen. Otherwise, those involved will not share their work in the future.
Ikhnaton & http://GenesisMuseum.com
This was a really big project. Not that the source was bad, the source was actually very nice. However, the source had many anomalies, but enough "clay" was there to mold this into something even better. The entire process was helped immensely by Ikhnaton, who provided material as well as suggestions and many many previews over the time.
The first step was to work on the sound, as the sound was missing for the first part of The Musical Box. The sound still exists but, well...this is another even longer story. Unfortunately, there were not many great recordings that were close enough in time to match the video performance. The best match turned out to be from the official Live LP, although I had to jump through many hoops to not only match the video from a month earlier, but also to match the rest of the audio in "tone". I then inserted a "patch" of audio to erase the overdub from the narrator. This also had to be EQed to match as reasonably close as possible. In the end I used more than one source as the camera is behind the keyboards during this portion, and they needed to be higher in the mix than found in most soundboard Musical Box recordings.
I then remastered the rest of the audio to give it a bit more life, some compression and reverb and stereo effects, though not too much as this is a small club and would be strange if it sounded like Giants Stadium. There were also some odds and ends like the sound reel being flat as it spun up to speed, some ambient audience needed between songs, etc. Most of the audio quality was nice however so it didn't need too much surgery.
The video was much more of a process. AI tools are becoming very useful and fairly fast, but often make things worse when used improperly. There are also about 25 different AI models that I use, each with several different settings. I try many different models in order to get the result I am looking for on the source I am working on, without creating unwanted artifacts.
I also normally have to do more than 1 AI pass. These video tools basically do 3 things well. Noise reduction, up-sampling (increasing size), and enhancement (adding detail) and there is rarely 1 perfect model or setting to get all three, without some very strange things happening. For example, one of the models I tested did a great job on the foreground, but determined that the curtains were hair and they started flowing For this film I did 2 passes with 2 totally different models, one of which was still in beta release. I also upscaled higher than desired and then Lanczos reduced back down to get even more detail without adding size.
I also used AviSynth for spot/dirt removal and cleanup, scratch removal on one of the camera reels (mostly during Hogweed), and additional sharpness. I used Neat Video for some additional NR/blending in the lights, which are brighter than normally seen on concert films of the time, and it was very difficult to train a tool to recognize the difference between foreground and background in this case. Then I used FFMPEG for frame interpolation to get smooth motion. Finally of course some color grading in TMPGEnc, to give it more realism, despite some color and lighting inconsistencies between the camera angles.
For the production we decided to move the interviews to the end, as they are mostly annoying during the performance. There was also only a lower quality source for the final reel of The Knife, so the brightness and detail is greatly reduced during the final minute or so.
I won't say that all of these processes were without penalty. But as always, the benefits of each process have to be weighed against the penalties. For the processes we used, we felt there was enough added benefit. Is it definitive? No. Not only do we know there was more of this show filmed, if all the reels could get a higher resolution direct transfer without compression, the results could be better still. But in my opinion, the results we were able to obtain rank this film up there with the best of the Gabriel-era Genesis films.
As always, we hope the fans enjoy this. But we ask that our work on this film not be used without permission or credit to those who put all of the time, effort, and money in to making this happen. Otherwise, those involved will not share their work in the future.
Ikhnaton & http://GenesisMuseum.com
Bataclan Complete (INA)
1h 7m total
- Media
- MOV
- Quality
- A+
- Catalogue #
- Release Project #9
- Watcher Of The Skies / The Musical Box / Supper's Ready / The Return Of The Giant Hogweed / The Knife
Recording comments
Partially watermarked from INA archives.
Bataclan Complete (INA) - Raw Files
1h 7m total
- Media
- MP4
- Quality
- A+
- Catalogue #
- GL GVID01
- Camera 1 - Watcher Of The Skies / The Musical Box / Supper's Ready / The Return Of The Giant Hogweed / The Knife
- Camera 2 - Watcher Of The Skies / The Musical Box / Supper's Ready / The Return Of The Giant Hogweed / The Knife
Recording comments
From Gigaleak torrent
- Media
- 1DVD-R
- Quality
- A+
- Catalogue #
- EFDVDG04
- The Musical Box / Interview / Supper's Ready / Interview / Return Of The Giant Hogweed / The Knife
Recording comments
Taken from a master S-VHS recording from the Canal Jimmy rebroadcast and transferred to DVD using a dedicated S-VHS machine for full resolution. Many thanks to P. Reid, Mark Hughes, Dave Dunnington, and of course Willem as usual. [LivingForever]
And thanks of course to Phillip Madeley for the great artwork! 8-) [LivingForever]
Nice image, similar to an official DVD. Although the original audio mix of this TV show is not too good, the remastered audio is highly superior to anterior "Bataclan" DVDs. [ragnarock]
Yes it is a nice quality broadcast. The band really shine in this and Gabriel is quite aggressive too. I wish I knew what the band were saying in the interview segments over the French Narrator but oh well. I guess I should learn French. For those who are wondering if the songs are complete here; no they are not. You only get portions interspersed with the interview footage. [duke23]
And thanks of course to Phillip Madeley for the great artwork! 8-) [LivingForever]
Nice image, similar to an official DVD. Although the original audio mix of this TV show is not too good, the remastered audio is highly superior to anterior "Bataclan" DVDs. [ragnarock]
Yes it is a nice quality broadcast. The band really shine in this and Gabriel is quite aggressive too. I wish I knew what the band were saying in the interview segments over the French Narrator but oh well. I guess I should learn French. For those who are wondering if the songs are complete here; no they are not. You only get portions interspersed with the interview footage. [duke23]
- Media
- 1DVD-R
- Quality
- A+
- The Musical Box / Interview / Supper's Ready / Interview / Return Of The Giant Hogweed / The Knife
Recording comments
Different and improved source to other versions previously available [Simon_Funnell]
- Media
- 1CD-R
- Quality
- A
- 1.1The Musical Box05:59
- 1.2Interview Dubbed Into French01:45
- 1.3Supper's Ready11:17
- 1.4Interview Dubbed Into French02:50
- 1.5Return Of The Giant Hogweed05:21
- 1.6The Knife06:38
Recording comments
From the Bataclan video. Sadly all the songs are edited, but this still remains a wonderful performance.
There are two different sets of this footage both of which feature the same tracks but in varying lengths. Interview footage is interesting if only because they all appear to be drunk! [alanh]
There are two different sets of this footage both of which feature the same tracks but in varying lengths. Interview footage is interesting if only because they all appear to be drunk! [alanh]
Show memories
Performed and recorded for the TV show "Pop Deux" and recently re-broadcast on French TV including footage of The Return Of The Giant Hogweed / Supper's Ready / The Musical Box and The Knife and includes only known surviving footage of Peter wearing the red dress and fox head [alanh]
- Media
- 2DVD-R
- Quality
- A
- Catalogue #
- GMDVD 11
- Brussels, Belgium - 20-Mar-72 - Fountain of Salmacis / Twilight Alehouse / The Musical Box / Return of the Giant Hogweed
- Italy - 18-Apr-72 & 03-Feb-74 - parts of Stagnation, misc live footage, & Interviews
- Batalcan, France - 10-Jan-73 parts of The Musical Box, Return of the Giant Hogweed, Supper's Ready, The Knife, and Interviews
- Midnight Special - December 20, 1973 - Watcher of the Skies / The Musical Box
- Melody TV Special - February 12, 1974 - I Know What I Like / Supper's Ready
- German TV - January 22, 1975 - short clips of The Slipperman, In The Cage, and The Musical Box
- Media
- 1DVD-R
- Quality
- A
- Catalogue #
- GMDVD 03
- (Piper Club, Rome, Italy - 18-Apr-72) Interview / Stagnation - 03:46
- (Pop Shop, Brussels, Belgium - 20-Mar-72) Fountain Of Salmacis / Twilight Alehouse / The Musical Box / Return Of The Giant Hogweed - 29:18
- (Bataclan Club, Paris, France - 10-Jan-73) The Musical Box / Interview / Supper's Ready / Interview / Return Of The Giant Hogweed / The Knife - 33:50
- (Midnight Special - 20-Dec-73) Watcher Of The Skies / The Musical Box - 15:29
- (Cahn Auditorum, Chicago - 03-Dec-73 / Auditorium Theatre, Chicago - 11-Apr-74) 8mm Silent Clips - 09:12
- (Torino, Italy - 03-Feb-74) Interview And Footage - 03:01
- Media
- 1VCD-R
- Quality
- A
- Catalogue #
- RareVCD02
- The Musical Box / Interview / Supper's Ready / Interview / Return Of The Giant Hogweed / The Knife
- Media
- 1DVD-R
- Quality
- B+
- Catalogue #
- Solid Air 012
- Rome Italia (April 18, 1972) : Stagnation
- Pop Show Belgium (March 20, 1972) : Fountain of Salmacis / Twilight Alehouse / The Musical Box / Return of the Giant Hogweed
- Bataclan Paris (January 10, 1973) : parts of The Musical Box, Return of the Giant Hogweed
- Shepperton Studios (October 30-31, 1973) : Watcher Of The Skies / Dancing With The Moonlit Knight / I Know What I Like / The Musical Box / Supper's Ready
- Mélodie, France (February 12, 1974) : I Know What I Like / Supper's Ready
- Montréal, Canada (April 20, 1974) : Watcher Of The Skies / Dancing With The Moonlit Knight / The Cinema Show / I Know What I Like / Firth Of Fifth / The Musical Box / More Fool Me / The Battle Of Epping Forest / Supper's Ready
Bataclan Audience
1h 7m total
- Media
- 1CD-R
- Quality
- C
- 1.1Watcher Of The Skies08:27
- 1.2The Musical Box13:27
- 1.3Supper's Ready24:02
- 1.4Return Of The Giant Hogweed11:17
- 1.5The Knife10:28
Recording comments
Complete audience recording
Artwork available
7 itemsEFDVDG04 - Bataclan 1973 (DVD)
ZIP archive · click to download
Bataclan - Live Archive (DVD)
ZIP archive · click to download
ZIP archive · click to download
GMDVD11 - 1972-1975 High Bitrate Collection (DVD Case)
JPG archive · click to download
GMDVD 02 - Genesis Collection 1972+1974 (DVD Case)
JPG archive · click to download
RareVCD 02 - Bataclan
ZIP archive · click to download
Genesis : Gabriel 1972-1974 (DVD)
ZIP archive · click to download
Notes
Show memories
Performed and recorded for the TV show "Pop Deux" and recently re-broadcast on French TV including footage of The Return Of The Giant Hogweed / Supper's Ready / The Musical Box and The Knife and includes only known surviving footage of Peter wearing the red dress and fox head [alanh]
